Tuesday, 10 July 2007

Anti-Panthic Activities at Gurdwara Sahib Leamington & Warwick

Disgraceful!

Anti-Panthic activities by Leamington Gurdwara Committee


10 July 2007


Over the last few years the Sikh youth have raised their concerns over the conduct of Sikh ethics by some Gurdwara Sahibs committees in the UK.
One issue that is particularly alarming is the increasing number of non-Sikhs participating the holy Anand Karaj ceremony.


SHIROMANI GURDWARA PARBANDHAK COMMITTEE

Sikh Reht Maryada

THE CODE OF SIKH CONDUCT AND CONVENTIONS
http://www.sgpc.net/sikhism/anand-sanskar.asp

Anand Sanskar : (Sikh Matrimonial Ceremony and Conventions)

b. A Sikh's daughter must be married to a Sikh.
k. Persons professing faiths other than the Sikh faith cannot be joined in wedlock by the Anand Karaj ceremony.



Wedding Blessings

Some feel that this is an extreme step and Sikhi should be accessible to all, regardless of faith.

The Gurdwara Sahib is open to all, regardless of race of religion; it is what makes Sikhi so universal. However one must abide by the regulations for the acceptable conduct of Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

The Anand Karaj Ceremony is made for devotees of the Panth. Those non-Sikhs who wish for Guru Ji’s blessing for marriage or anything else are always welcome to Gurdwara Sahib for Prayers, Paat and Ardas.


Gurdwara Sahib Leamington & Warwick

Gurdwara Sahib Leamington & Warwick will be hosting a Sri Anand Karaj ceremony on Sunday 29th July 2007.

S Kaur will wed Viresh Vaja, son of Mr Bhagwanji Vaja and Mrs Vilash Vaja.

Viresh Veja is of Gujarati Hindu background and has confirmed he has no knowledge of Sikhi and does not understand the significance of Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

He has also confirmed he is only participating in the Anand Karaj ceremony on request of the girl’s parents.


Committee’s Ignorance

The Committee booked this Anand Karaj ceremony with total disregard of Gurudwara Code of conduct, and Sikh ethics.

They failed to even register the name of the groom, and were completely ignorant his religious beliefs – a total lack of professionalism.

Once the Sikh youth had raised their concerns, the committee held a meeting with youth representatives on Sun 1st July and had acknowledged their wrongdoings –yet certain members are adamant to go ahead with the ceremony.

Make your views heard, Gurdwara contact details:
http://www.gurdwara-leamingtonandwarwick.org.uk/contact.asp


Sarabha Panjab News

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

idiots. they mite aswell tell every young girl its ok to marry a guji. Who need enemies, when we have destroyers of the panth sitting in committee rooms.

Anonymous said...

Good on you Sarabha Punjab taking a lead on this issue. Gurdwaras need to think about Sikh girlsbeing given away to Hindus or even Muslims (As recent case shows) under their noses

Anonymous said...

Jus because all their girls are HOOD RATS...

I think they need Round 2 of what the Babbars gave em in 2005!!!

Khalistan Zindabad

Anonymous said...

Dear friends:

You rightly say that Anand Karaj is an esteemed spiritual practise which exists for those who understand and appreciate its significance and purpose. That is, fully practising conscious 'sikhs', who understand and embrace the lavan and the meaning to married life. Is this S Kaur that you mention below, a confirmed sikh? Does she understand the lavan? Is she a fully committed 'sikh', who has affirmed her committment to sikh jeevan by taking khanda da pahul? When you distinguish between 'Sikhs' and non-Sikhs in terms of Anand Karaj, you must clarify on exactly who is and who isn't a 'Sikh' (automatically by birth or by ethical living). Is anyone with the name of 'singh' and 'kaur', whether they destroy their kesh, contaminate their bodies with alcohol and meat and pollute their minds with other poisons of the world; all acceptable as 'sikhs'? Many modern non-practising 'sikhs' (in name only), undertake Anand Karaj; invariably followed by boozing and dancing parties. Is that acceptable? Is it acceptable for ' born sikhs' to abuse the Anand Karaj, but not acceptable for outsiders to abuse it? This is a cock-eyed, unethical approach. It is plain double-standards.
j singh

Anonymous said...

If you please allow me I would like to discuss a few points relating to this subject.

1. What is the definition of a Gursikh or a Sikh?

2. Who is better a boy born in a sikh family but does not keep hair and does not understand Gurbani , uses drugs and smokes on one hand or a boy with a good character and is nonsmoker and vegetarian born in a Hindu family on the other hand?

3.Please donot misunderstand me that I am advocating for Hindu boys. Guru Nanak Dev ji clearly answered to the question whom you like Hindus or Muslims?. Perhaps the same answer applies to Hindu / Sikh wedding.

4. Please can you make it clear that you have objection against (a) the marriage or (b) the Anand Karaj Ceremony at a Gurdwara.

5. Perhaps you would remember that SGPC sent hukamnama against Anand Karaj in front of Guru Granth Sahib saroop in a hotel or a hired private hall. Do you think in this case also we should approach againt this activity through SGPC.This if is against Rehat Mariada then it is not problem in Gurdwara at Lemington but is global (in and outside India).

G Singh

SarabhaPanjab said...

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh


Dear Bhai Sahib G. Singh Ji,

Thank you for your email.

You have raised some interesting points- points that are long over-due for review, discussion and debate.

I think there are two separate issues here:

Should an Anand Karaj Ceremony be conducted for: -

1. Someone who considers himself or herself a Sikh. Accepts Sikhi to be his/her primary, first and foremost faith – But has not taken Amrit.
2. Someone who practises another religion and has no interest in Sikhi.

Both scenarios need to be addressed.

For point 1. At what point is a Sikh by birth considered eligible for an Anand Karaj ceremony? Should we have a pre-screening process?

For point 2. Someone who has no interest at all in Sikhi, should he/she be attending an Anand Karaj ceremony as a ritual to fulfil the wishes of the other-half?

If so, is it sending the wrong signal to all young impressionable youth?

Regarding point 4) of your message - There is no objection against the choices indivduals make. This is solely an issue of acceptable conduct of Sikh Ceremonies.

Agreed – this is not an issue for just Leamington but an issue for the entire Panth. These issues have been over-looked for far too long.

We need the involvement of SGPC and all Sikh leaders in the UK.

Regards,
Sarabha Panjab News

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Anonymous said...

Sikh leaders in India call for simpler weddings and less ostentation

Endless buffets, rivers of alcohol and extravagant decorations have become staples at the weddings of India's upper classes, but Sikh leaders are considering creating guidelines to tone down the glittering affairs, a newspaper reported Saturday. A group of Sikh leaders called for a meeting on July 28 of representatives from Delhi's more than 400 Sikh gurdwaras, or temples, to discuss ways to rein in over-the-top weddings, the Times of India reported. "The committee feels that ostentatious weddings are leading to increasing competition among families to outdo each other," Paramjit Singh Sarna, president of the Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, told the newspaper. "A lot of money is being wasted." Economic growth in India has surged in recent years, with the gross domestic product _ the total value of goods and services products in the country _ growing by more than 8 percent annually in the past four years. The boom has created a new class of incredibly wealthy Indians that can afford palatial homes, luxury imported cars, and wildly elaborate weddings often held at the city's five-star hotels. The Sikh leaders said that the deluxe wedding trend put an unfair burden on the bride's family, which traditionally pays for the party

Anonymous said...

Dear Sarabha Punjab ji,

You are raising this point of a non Sikh getting marriage in the Gurdawar. I have few points for you to answer.

1. How this is different from a So called a Sikh getting marriage in Gurdaware who don’t know anything about Sikh and just turn-up on the day of marriage.

You are discriminating against a fellow human being on the basis that he is not born in a Sikh Family, If he was born in the Sikh family regardless of if he has or not any knowledge of Sikhism you would not raise an eyebrow.


2. I have read on the net a while back point made by you or either people you’re your kind thinking of thinking, The point made was , Maharaja Ranjit Singh use to drink and have many women and he is regarded as a great Sikh King. Clearly he is not an exemplary Sikh in religious terms, How come same writing and thinking raising the matter raised by you?


3. If you want to shun people because your understanding of them or their understanding of Sikhism is nothing, then you are on wrong path to encourage people to be Sikh, if you treat somebody with respect and love they are more likely to listen to you, and if somebody come to Gurdawara and bow their head then it is your job to make them feel like they are part of the family so they can feel included rather then excluded, Guru Nanak Dev ji went to thieves and murders to encourage them to be nice and you want to object some non Sikh getting the blessing of Guru Sahib , What kind of Sikh are you ?


Thanks

One Sikh of Guru Sahib.

SarabhaPanjab said...

Dear ‘One Sikh of Guru Sahib’


Thank you for your email. Response to your points:

1.This was addressed previously in this topic.

There are two separate issues here:
Should an Anand Karaj Ceremony be conducted for: -

A. Someone who considers himself or herself a Sikh. Accepts Sikhi to be his/her primary, first and foremost faith – But has not taken Amrit.

B. Someone who practises another religion and has no interest in Sikhi

Both scenarios need to be addressed.

For point A. At what point is a Sikh (by birth) considered eligible for an Anand Karaj ceremony? Should we have a minimum Reht requirement? Should we have a pre-screening process?

For point B. Someone who practises another religion, has no interest at all in Sikhi, should he/she be participating in an Anand Karaj ceremony? Just as a wedding ritual to fulfil the wishes of the other-half?

If so, is it sending the wrong signal to all young impressionable youth?


2.I am not sure what you mean in this point.
In terms of Maharaja Ranjit Singh – We have never mentioned him. As far as we’re concerned he was a human.
The respect for Dhan Guru Granth Sahib ji has been outlined by our Guru ji’s. The Reht Maryada has been written by our Scholars. What Maharaja Ranjit Singh did in his personal life is a non-issue, not related to this topic.


3.We are not “shunning” anyone. This is a matter of the respectful conduct of Sikh ceremonies and the respectful conduct of Dhan Guru Granth Sahib ji.

The Gurudwara Sahib is open to all, regardless of faith, caste, creed. But certain rules and regulations must be followed. I.e. Panj Pyaara must be Gursikhs? Is that racist? Those that prepare Amrit Sanchar must be GuruSikhs, is that being racist? NO! in the same way Anand Karaj ceremony is made for devotees of the Panth.

The SGPC Sikh Reht Maryada is totally clear regarding this issue. Certain UK Gurdwara committees however think they can make their own rules to generate more income.

In which case, why not open Anand Karaj ceremony to everyone? Anyone who fancies an ‘exotic’ wedding for their wedding photos come to a Gurdwara!!. Don’t worry about Beadbi to Guru Granth Sahib Ji!! - as long as we make enough money!

Is this the road we want to go down? We are slowly slipping down that path….


Sarabha Panjab

Gurdip Singh said...

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

I am writing upon finding out that the Gurdwara Sahib had agreed to the Anand Karaj of a Hindu (Gujrati) boy and a Sikh girl. Although it appears that the decision was later reversed, I understand that some members of the committee are adamant that the wedding goes ahead.

Sikhs have nothing against other faiths, but it is clear that a Sikh should only marry a Sikh and that message should go out, without distortion, to members of our faith - from none other than those who are in a position to do so, e.g. Gurdwara committees.

An inter-faith marriage goes against the rehat maryada and is likely to generate a great deal of criticism against your committee. This is the age of the internet and news of this sort travels across the world in seconds. Do you want to be known as violators of the Guru's teachings or upholders of the tenets of the faith? That decision lies in your hands. My prayers are with you that the right decision is made. It is pointless to be heads of a Sikh institution if the the religion's rules are not going to be followed.

"Aisa kam moolay na kichay,
Jaet aant pachotaiyai"

Gurbani says, "Do not do such a deed for which you will have to regret in the end."

Bhul chuk ki maafi,

Anonymous said...

Dear SarabhaPunjab Ji many thanks for the reply,


You response -------“For point A. At what point is a Sikh (by birth) considered eligible for an Anand Karaj ceremony? Should we have a minimum Reht requirement? Should we have a pre-screening process?

For point B. Someone who practises another religion, has no interest at all in Sikhi, should he/she be participating in an Anand Karaj ceremony? Just as a wedding ritual to fulfil the wishes of the other-half?

If so, is it sending the wrong signal to all young impressionable youth?----------.

Vir Jee,

What damage or wrong signal a wedding of a Sikh Girl to somebody of non Sikh religion can do which is not done by the people who run Gurdawars, our highest level of Clergy are short of very damaging controversies, our leaders from root level to the highest level have painted a black paint over the Glory of our Guru’s and History.

It is shame that, Muslims claim, Guru Nanak was Muslim, Hindus saying He was Hindu, Even I have seen Christians saying that he was the Christ in different Birth.

Now the situations is such that A Sikh look at a Sikh and question if the other person is a Sikh or not because they don’t follow the traditions of what we follow.

Vir Ji if some body come to Gurdawara to get married part of it is they have agreed or want the blessing of Guru Sahib, if they come to see the Gurdawar then if there is real Glory of Gursahib ji is shown I can bet any money that they will be well impressed and one day may become Sikhs.

Look at the other side of the coin, If that girl don’t get married in Gurdawar then some other religious ceremony can be taken place , for instance an Hindu Wedding instead for having a change to get another Brother in the Sikh family you have lost a daughter too ? what is better keep a Sikh Sister or a get her converted to Hinduism ?

Don’t haste in making these kind of issues, Akali’s in Punjab made a demand of naming a train as Harminder Express then they realised what if people smoke in it ?


--------------2.I am not sure what you mean in this point.
In terms of Maharaja Ranjit Singh – We have never mentioned him. As far as we’re concerned he was a human.
The respect for Dhan Guru Granth Sahib ji has been outlined by our Guru ji’s. The Reht Maryada has been written by our Scholars. What Maharaja Ranjit Singh did in his personal life is a non-issue, not related to this topic.----------------


Your argument is very strong and I accept that, but what about 99% of the Gurdawars don’t even follow the Reht Maryada themselves. Never mind the people who run them.

I feel this thing is picked up for wrong reasons, We should be working towards bringing more people to Guru Sahib so the world can be a better place rather then putting barrier and obstructions in people’s way.

Their was time when Muslims musicians use to do Kirtan at Harminder Sahib, due to some of their bad attitude we stopped that but never the less we did not had allergy to any faith coming to Gurdaware and doing Kirtan or getting blessed.

-----------3.We are not “shunning” anyone. This is a matter of the respectful conduct of Sikh ceremonies and the respectful conduct of Dhan Guru Granth Sahib ji.

The Gurudwara Sahib is open to all, regardless of faith, caste, creed. But certain rules and regulations must be followed. I.e. Panj Pyaara must be Gursikhs? Is that racist? Those that prepare Amrit Sanchar must be GuruSikhs, is that being racist? NO! in the same way Anand Karaj ceremony is made for devotees of the Panth.-------------

When there is a situation like this girl want to marry some non sikh what do want her to be converted to Hinduism or open door so the non Sikhs can see the kindness, liberty, freedom and Glory of Guru Sahib and hopefully become Sikh.

----------The SGPC Sikh Reht Maryada is totally clear regarding this issue. Certain UK Gurdwara committees however think they can make their own rules to generate more income. -------------------

Vir Jee, SGPC don’t follow their own maryada in their own Gurdawars how you are going to make a standard., When the Top cream of SGPC is tinted with corruption , deception and morals what right we have to demand that from non Sikhs.


---------In which case, why not open Anand Karaj ceremony to everyone? Anyone who fancies an ‘exotic’ wedding for their wedding photos come to a Gurdwara!!. Don’t worry about Beadbi to Guru Granth Sahib Ji!! - as long as we make enough money! ---------------------

Well if somebody want to get blessed by Guru Sahib you don’t have any write to stop them, If Mudres and thieves can be blessed by Guru Sahib then what reason you have to stop some ordinary Hindus? Bedabi of Guru Sahib is not done by these non Sikhs, what about the Kirtanees, Dhadis and Lectures in Gurudawars who time and time again tell the Anti Gurmat stories in the Dewans. What about the 100% of UK Gurudawars have managing committee who use their caste openly.. is that a greater insult to Gurushaib that Brahminism is openly danced in the front of Guru Sahib or some non sikh bowing his head is more insult ?



-----Is this the road we want to go down? We are slowly slipping down that path….-------------
Vir Jee if you want to stop this slippery slop just ask One Gurdaware in UK to fully comply with SGPC maryada. Then you may start talking about these minor issues.

I hope I am not coming across as negative, as my intentions are to have constructive dialog.

Thanks

One Sikh of Guru Sahib

SarabhaPanjab said...

Dear One Sikh of Guru Sahib,

I think we’re covering the same ground here.

Yes we have acknowledged we have a huge problem with the anti-panthic Gurudwara committees.
Yes we have all the problems you have mentioned.
And yes- Sikh youth have addressed all these issues and are currently campaigning against all anti-gurmat practises.

Please read the article regarding this case. The Hindu guy has said he has no understanding of Sikhism, nor has an interest, and is only participating in this ‘ritual’ for the sake of keeping his in-laws parents happy.

We are not restricting the blessings of Guru Maharaaj to those who seek them. All we are doing is campaigning for the original Reht Maryada for Anand Karaj’s to be upheld. We campaign for the respectful conduct of Guru Granth Sahib ji.

We have raised these points to Jathedar of the Akal Takht, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti. We await the response from Akal Takht regarding this issue.

We are pressing for a pre-screening process of all those who want an Anand Karaj, including Sikhs (by birth), whereby eliminating ‘ritual’ weddings.

We want Guru-Ka-Langur included as part of the Anand Karaj ceremony to respect the original conduct, reducing the urgency to go to the club straight away.

Currently the Gurdwara committees are commercialising Sikhi to fit in with our modern lifestyles, at the same time going further away from our Guru.

Sarabha Panjab

Anonymous said...

They are only normal sikhs, what can we do about the so-called Khalistani and self-style pardhan of Gurdwara Meri Peri The Broadway, Southall Jaswant Singh Thekedar--who married his daughter to a Gujarati in the same gurdwara, and the treasurer of Sri Guru Singh Sabha Southall married his daughter to a Chinese boy in Park Avenue Gurdwara.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sarabahapunjab ji,


------------------“Please read the article regarding this case. The Hindu guy has said he has no understanding of Sikhism, nor has an interest, and is only participating in this ‘ritual’ for the sake of keeping his in-laws parents happy.--------------------

Who have gone to this guy to ask question ? seems like this family is targeted for some very personal reasons. ? Never mind even that How many Sikhs go to Gurdaware for ritual reasons. You have not sorted your own house first then started to point figures at other ? This is a seems like a witch hunt very bad thing for a Sikh to do.

“We have raised these points to Jathedar of the Akal Takht, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti. We await the response from Akal Takht regarding this issue. “

Yes get some other Hukamnam Issued from the Akal Takhat only to allow people who are 100% similer to a particular type allowed to be called Sikhs. And divide the Sikhs further and ultimately destroy the Sikhs. Your efforts are seems to be protecting a very small minority and have ideology of exclusiveness when Guru Sahib and Sikh is any thing but exclusive.

Think my brother / sister think. You think all the Bhagats them selves declared themselves as Sikhs ? Many of them were born and died before even Guru Nanak was born. Think my dear think hard. What do you want to achieve, who you want to please few So called Sikhs or Guru Sahib ?

Whole world’s religions are getting more and more flexible in terms of embracing people of non faiths to come to their faith, It is the only Sikhs who always think after doing the damage to become more ridge in present day , It is only Sikh who have Guru who is pure knowledge but alas their Sikhs seems to go back to stone ages. There is almost some intoxication in Some sections to lets go back to old days, Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not like Old, He burnt the old house and created new ones. Through out the History of Sikhs, Sikhism always was progressive religion it is just now Sikhs want to make it a regressive religion. Shame on Sikhs who want to portrait SikhGuru Sahiban as narrow minded as themselves.

Sikh Gurus show the path to inclusiveness and Sikhs want to destroy the inclusiveness and paint there own Ego Black Tar on Guru Sahib too to kick people out.

If up to the present day Sikhs of this mentality they will drag all the Bhagats out too out of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Those who don’t see the GOD in all don’t see the GOD at all.

ਏਕ ਵਸਤੁ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਤਾ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਪਾਕ ॥
एक वसतु बूझहि ता होवहि पाक ॥
Ėk vasaṯ būjẖeh ṯā hoveh pāk.
If you could understand even one thing, then you would be pure.

ਬਿਨੁ ਬੂਝੇ ਤੂੰ ਸਦਾ ਨਾਪਾਕ ॥੪॥
बिनु बूझे तूं सदा नापाक ॥४॥
Bin būjẖė ṯūʼn saḏā nāpāk. ||4||
Without understanding, you shall be forever impure. ||4||


--------------“We are pressing for a pre-screening process of all those who want an Anand Karaj, including Sikhs (by birth), whereby eliminating ‘ritual’ weddings.”------

How would you check if a wedding is not a ritual ? this is the inner question of somebody ?


Well it is the path of destruction, those who want to go in this should be careful as this is not path of Guru Sahib and he certainly will not be please with this kind of thing.,
Pushing a Girl to become Hindu rather then making any efforts to bring the lad into Sikhi.

If nothing else make you question yourself then , Just feel the pain of Guru Sahib’ who’s daughter you may call her bad daughter but still a daughter you want her to be kicked out of Sikhi because you can not be broadminded like your Guru Sahib ji , on her wedding day when she want the blessing of Her Guru you are going to turn her around and push her to become Hindu ?


-------“We want Guru-Ka-Langur included as part of the Anand Karaj ceremony to respect the original conduct, reducing the urgency to go to the club straight away.”-----------

So they can go to club later on ?


All what is done in the name of Sikhi is seems to be a Job for some people who have nothing else to contribute to Sikhi rather then Just going for bashing of others. What good deeds are don by these people.

I Think Sarabahpunjab was concentrating on a particular issue and they are successful in that,. now it seems they are going to be hijacked by some other ideology which in future will prove devastating for them. Please be careful in making allegiances to people who want to use you for their own benefits and glory.

Think 1000 time before you make 1 Sikh turn away from Guru Sahib, good or bad, Sikh rather be a Sikh then non Sikh.

Puritanism is not Sikhism for sure so be ready to face Guru Sahib if he confront you with your agendas and thinking, which surely will paint a black paint on the Inclusive Guru .


Thanks

One Sikh of Guru Sahib

Anonymous said...

Come off it....
Don't be turning this into some SIKHSANGAT.COM flex...

This is a grass roots issue, the people with any ANNAK will stand against any disrespect of Guru Ji!

I've seen these dirty tarts flexing their non-punjabi partners in the Gurdwara, and it makes me SICK.

WELL DONE SARABHA, The people with ALLSBAY are behind you 100%

Anonymous said...

-------------I've seen these dirty tarts flexing their non-punjabi
partners in the Gurdwara, and it makes me SICK.----------------

Yes Ji it only make you SICK but I want people to become SIKH.

That is the difference between you and me.

Try not to be SICK and be a good SIKH of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, then these things will not make you SICK, as once you are understood Guru Sahaib you will see .


ਨਾ ਕੋ ਬੈਰੀ ਨਹੀ ਬਿਗਾਨਾ ਸਗਲ ਸੰਗਿ ਹਮ ਕਉ ਬਨਿ ਆਈ ॥੧॥
ना को बैरी नही बिगाना सगल संगि हम कउ बनि आई ॥१॥
Nā ko bairī nahī bigānā sagal sang ham ka­o ban ā­ī. ||1||
No one is my enemy, and no one is a stranger. I get along with everyone. ||1||

Sarabhapunjab ji please keep the conversation going I think we gaining knowledge.

Be very aware of people who misguide you !

Thanks.

One Sikh of Guru Sahib

SarabhaPanjab said...

Quote "{Sarabhapunjab ji please keep the conversation going I think we gaining knowledge.
Be very aware of people who misguide you}"


Yes, as pointed out earlier the acceptable conduct for Anand Karaj Ceremonies in UK Gurdwaras has not been reviewed, debated or discussed for a very long time.

Constructive debate is healthy for the Panth.

In terms of Sarabha Panjab News Team, our job is to reflect the views and concerns of the Sikh youth as accurately as possible. In the June meeting with representatives of the majority of UK Sikh youth Jathabandhis – everyone unanimously agreed in their concerns of the commercialisation of Anand Karaj ceremonies.

In order to pursuit an accurate and truthful representation of Sikh youth views, we encourage any Sikh youth body that has contrasting views to email us.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sarabhapunjab ji,
Commercialisation of Anand Karaj ceremonies is a issue which nobody is going to argue about. It is commons sense that it is a social evil in our society, the money is hijacking this ceremony in Sikh Society and most decent people hate that.

I am 100% for simple weddings and shunning all the old evils our society have.

Point is not about commercialising it is about closing doors and claiming to have society of puritans.

What these people are going to do next? Lungar for only Gursikhs, Or Seva for Only Guru Sikhs in the Gurdawars ?

Who is going to Vet these Gursikhs ?

These point are raised by those who have no understanding of Guru Sahib and just like to make themselves important.

Guru Nanak Dev ji went to most evil people out of his own initiates to divert them from doing the bad things. If these Sikhs were Guru Sahib’s advisers they would have said that evil person don’t deserver your Darshan Guru Sahib don’t go their to bless them they are not worth it.

Perhaps they would have house arrested Guru Sahib Ji if it was up these people.

My point is if these jatebandians are making these kind of foolish agendas as to stop some Sikhs being a Sikh and close the door of Gurdawars for them then somebody else will be more then happy to open the welcoming door for them, then these people may be over joyed as Guru’s Sikh convert to some other religion. I suppose that is the real agenda of these people only they want to present it as a Pro Sikh Agenda , nothing more devious then disguising yourself as the house owner and the burn the house from inside out.

These people who make decisions like that and promote their view surely are no friend of Sikh Community at worst they are disguised them self as Sikhs at best they are foolish in both cases it is not favourable to Sikhs in specific and humanity in general.

So think hard very hard about your views and projected actions which will only harm the Sikh community and reflect bad on Guru Sahib.

Take a break and re - analysis your direction it is surely Anti Sikhi, even if it is purposed by Sikhs.

When Guru Sahib Ji was in Anadpur Sikhs compelled Guru Sahib to leave the Anadpur Sahib ji, and Guru Sahib said you should not trust the enemy but Sikhs said that enemy have taken most religious wows not to harm the leaving Sikhs from Anadpur and Guru Sahib’s said no they will attack you , But Sikhs insisted so Guru Sahib who loved Sikhs more then his life, agreed to act on the Sikhs’s advise, and the result was exactly as Guru Sahib Said.


So don think if Sikhs are saying it is some how 100% in sync with Gurmat.

In this instant it is openly painting Sikhs as puritans who believe in exclusiveness which is the completely opposite of Guru Sahib’s teaching.

The message from Sikh community should be about open arms with smile as Guru Sahib want us to be. What this thing is doing shutting doors and slapping even Sikhs to go away and be something else as they are not welcome as Sikhs.

Now use your common sense is this how a Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Guru Arjun Dev ji, Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Guru Granth Sahib ji should be ?

Just be honest with yourself.

I do believe you have conscious and it should bother you. If you are getting used.


Dear Vir ji

When you say.

“In terms of Sarabha Panjab News Team, our job is to reflect the views and concerns of the Sikh youth as accurately as possible.”

This topic is not about News you are part of a campaign that is why I said as a news site you were very good and raised issue to alert people. If you have presented it as a news then it would have been fine. You are becoming part of this very ill advised/ thought campaign. It really make me think if the whole things is a mistake by some naive people or much more thinking have gone at the background to benefit few people who influence some of the jathebanies with emotional charged words and then use their gullibility for their own good.


Thanks

One Sikh of Guru Sahib.

Anonymous said...

-------------I've seen these dirty tarts flexing their non-punjabi
partners in the Gurdwara, and it makes me SICK.----------------

Yes Ji it only make you SICK but I want people to become SIKH.

That is the difference between you and me.
--------------------------------

LOL. u wan hindus to become sikhs by takin our daughters and doing beadbi?

lol - sirr de ke KHALSEH ban dey aa - not by marrying tarts!

Sirr de ke miliya sanu saradariyaa!

its not about quantity its quality that counts!

Panth ki jeet

Khalistan zindabad!!

Anonymous said...

First you are saying this :


-----LOL. u wan Hindus to become Sikhs by takin our daughters and doing beadbi?-----


Then you saying this:

------------lol - sirr de ke KHALSEH ban dey aa - not by marrying tarts!------------

So in your head any Sikh girl ( first you said your daughters then just tart) who marry a non Sikh is a tart , and that is your personal definition of a tart.

Well thanks for sharing that because the readers of these comments could have thought for 1 sec that you may have balanced views.


------Sirr de ke miliya sanu saradariyaa!----------

So I guess that you have given your head to Guru Ji, Congratulations.


-----------its not about quantity its quality that counts!---------------
Yep get just 2 Sikhs ( if you can have another one like you) alone and why dont you try to win the whole world.

Anonymous said...

One Sikh of Guru Sahib, you make excellent points, Which I for one agree with you, we as Sikhs instead of progressing forward are some time looking backward, don't get me wrong, there are certain things which must adhere to like doors of our Sikh Gurdwaras are open to all regardless faith, caste and creed. In my opinion the Gurdwaras all over the World has become commercialized. The very people who run these Gurdwaras are least educated and at times I find them arrogant, they think they have the monopoly of Gurdwara. I rather see a Sikh girl marry a Hindu, Gujarati than marring Muslim or West Indian, which is now getting quite common, mostly among sikhs. It is the attitude like the one we have here that turns our Sikh girls away from Sikhism. I would like to ask Sarabha panjab, and anonymous Khalistan Zindabad where do you think the Sikhs originated from? I don't mean the land but which people? I do not see any thing wrong if some one is rich and has thousands or million of ponds, why should he not spent that money the way he likes on his son's or daughter's wedding. I would want the readers of this website to log on www.faithfreedom.org eee.thereligionofpeace.com
Last thing to khalistan zindabad why are you not claiming the punjab on the pakistan side, then I am with you? other wise not.

Anonymous said...

most ppl here are racist idiots who have no knowledge of sikhi themselves. I agree with the guy who raised the Gur sikh and skh differences. Most sikhs dont know a single thing abt annand Karaj. They do it as an indian formality. And secondly, all it is a peice of paper saying what religion you are if you dont know a single thing on sikhi. so there isnt a difference so long you arent a muslim. You guys need to realise hindus arent the issue its muslim because they convert indian girls whereas hindus dont.

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